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Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « on: April 27, 2018, 06:40:21 AM » Author: Ash
In continuation to the SOX discussions and the follow up, i want to understand a few more things

I'm looking for insight first hand from the members, who were offended by the posts in the first place. Not from anyone who quotes what they said

This is a question of understanding the Lighting Gallery community. It is not about SOX lamps and factories. Without this being cleared, the case is bound to happen again - in some discussion about something else. Members who will want to avoid it without understanding what happened might avoid opening any discussions altogether in the future



What in the discussions was offensive or bothering ?

In particular, what was offensive or bothering other than some other discussion with which you dont agree in general ? (for example, an ongoing discussion about how good or how bad LED lighting is)

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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #1 on: April 27, 2018, 07:45:32 AM » Author: MissRiaElaine
I hope I am in a position to advise here.

My principal objections were that you were told by several people, including James, who has worked in the lamp industry for many years, that your proposal was not practical. Nevertheless, you proceeded to expound on it at great length for quite some time until it just got to the stage where people were fed up.

That is the situation, pure and simple - you wouldn't let go. The reason I got uptight (and I admit I probably did go over the top a little) was that you kept on and on and on about it practically to the point where I was (metaphorically anyway) tearing my hair out. I probably should have backed out of the topic, but as Patrick said it's difficult to do this  when you're emotionally involved.

I have no personal gripe with you Ash, but please understand that repeatedly saying the same thing over and over isn't going to help. I know I get that way about LED street lighting sometimes, so I'm probably not the best person to be saying this, but I really think you should let it lie. Honestly, for everyone's sake, including yours.

I really will say no more on the subject. Promise  :D

Take care,

Ria  :-*
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #2 on: April 27, 2018, 09:29:37 AM » Author: Ash
You are in the best position, as you are one of the members i am specifically asking

With the lengths for which you continued participating in the original discussions and taking actions regarding them, i now ask you to Please Do stay and have your say in this one



There isn't apparent connection between the fact that few members said this cannot be achieved/isn't practical, to having to stop the discussion

Is there any problem with the discussion being continued by who say otherwise ?

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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #3 on: April 27, 2018, 10:08:02 AM » Author: MissRiaElaine

Is there any problem with the discussion being continued by who say otherwise ?
Let's see what others say. But honestly I see no value in it and I would urge you to let it be.
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #4 on: April 27, 2018, 10:14:48 AM » Author: Ash
Normally if you dont see value you just pass by. Was there something else here ?
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #5 on: April 27, 2018, 10:20:02 AM » Author: Mandolin Girl
Normally if you dont see value you just pass by. Was there something else here ?
It's your persistence. You won't leave things alone, you're doing it now.

I'm out of here. Carry on, do as you will, I've had enough.
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #6 on: April 27, 2018, 03:08:26 PM » Author: Mandolin Girl
Despite being repeatedly told that something was not possible, carrying on as if we hadn't said anything. Not acknowledging expert advice is to my way of thinking very hurtful.
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #7 on: April 27, 2018, 03:33:09 PM » Author: Roi_hartmann
And when typical people say "not possible" they don't mean not possible in absolute sense. Cause everything is possible but some things are jusy highly impropable.
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #8 on: April 27, 2018, 03:36:20 PM » Author: MissRiaElaine
And when typical people say "not possible" they don't mean not possible in absolute sense. Cause everything is possible but some things are jusy highly impropable.
Most things are possible if you throw enough money at them, but I doubt anyone here has deep enough pockets. Of course we could always invent the Infinite Improbability Drive, all we need is a Finite Improbability Generator and a really, really hot cup of tea.
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #9 on: April 27, 2018, 03:42:33 PM » Author: Roi_hartmann
Most things are possible if you throw enough money at them, but I doubt anyone here has deep enough pockets. Of course we could always invent the Infinite Improbability Drive, all we need is a Finite Improbability Generator and a really, really hot cup of tea.
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy  ;D
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #10 on: April 27, 2018, 03:44:31 PM » Author: MissRiaElaine
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy  ;D
I really must read that again, it's been ages :D
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #11 on: April 27, 2018, 06:56:15 PM » Author: RyanF40T12
And when typical people say "not possible" they don't mean not possible in absolute sense. Cause everything is possible

No, everything is NOT possible. 
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #12 on: April 27, 2018, 08:04:07 PM » Author: Mercurylamps
I know that I said I wouldn't reply anymore relating to the discussion. I'm only here to say a couple of things then I will leave the thread again.

I couldn't help but feel that my opinions were entirely ignored while Ash kept pursuing his opinion. Then I and other people that didn't agree get called "non-sayers." I didn't force my opinion on people as has been made out. I aired my opinion, take it or leave it. Secondly, making multiple threads on people's behaviour and topic discussion is a good way to get peoples backs up. Why can't it just be laid to rest and everyone get on with their life? Life is too short and I'm not losing sleep over this.
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #13 on: April 28, 2018, 07:23:36 AM » Author: Ash
I hope I am in a position to advise here.

My principal objections were that you were told by several people, including James, who has worked in the lamp industry for many years, that your proposal was not practical. Nevertheless, you proceeded to expound on it at great length for quite some time until it just got to the stage where people were fed up.

That is the situation, pure and simple - you wouldn't let go. The reason I got uptight (and I admit I probably did go over the top a little) was that you kept on and on and on about it practically to the point where I was (metaphorically anyway) tearing my hair out. I probably should have backed out of the topic, but as Patrick said it's difficult to do this  when you're emotionally involved.

I have no personal gripe with you Ash, but please understand that repeatedly saying the same thing over and over isn't going to help. I know I get that way about LED street lighting sometimes, so I'm probably not the best person to be saying this, but I really think you should let it lie. Honestly, for everyone's sake, including yours.

I really will say no more on the subject. Promise  :D

Take care,

Ria  :-*


It's your persistence. You won't leave things alone, you're doing it now.

I'm out of here. Carry on, do as you will, I've had enough.

So is, primarily, the persistence to force the opinion that it cannot be done / is not practical. You and others kept returning to the discussion to repeat it, even after it was made clear that it was heard and shouldn't be repeated anymore. You were so presistent, that you reached the point of getting yourself fed up with it. That's incredible level of persistence

There were others in the discussion that didn't ultimately hold to this opinion. They kept working out the proposition or other things. They asked new questions with every post and were going forward to having their questions discussed and answered

Is anything that's not inline with your opinion to be halted ?



Despite being repeatedly told that something was not possible, carrying on as if we hadn't said anything. Not acknowledging expert advice is to my way of thinking very hurtful.
That's what it is - Advice. Take it or leave it. It still is acknowledged, even when not followed. When you give advice you might not like that it wasn't followed, but there really isn't much else you can do about it



I know that I said I wouldn't reply anymore relating to the discussion. I'm only here to say a couple of things then I will leave the thread again.

I couldn't help but feel that my opinions were entirely ignored while Ash kept pursuing his opinion. Then I and other people that didn't agree get called "non-sayers." I didn't force my opinion on people as has been made out. I aired my opinion, take it or leave it. Secondly, making multiple threads on people's behaviour and topic discussion is a good way to get peoples backs up. Why can't it just be laid to rest and everyone get on with their life? Life is too short and I'm not losing sleep over this.
Fact is, that over many pages of the discussion, the opinions that the proposition cannot be done were countered with detailed explanations. Saying that they were ignored goes against reality

In the continued discussion, many members kept working out the proposition or other things, asked new questions and so on, and we don't know how many others followed it without commenting. It's only a group of members, who kept returning to say the same things again :

This cannot be done. Thats opinion, but coming back to post it again while interrupting the discussion is a prime example of forcing the opinion

No one is interested. Fact is that there are interested members who participated in the discussion. To your words, they are no one

Taking other actions to get the discussion halted when new questions are asked and answered, is also forcing the opinion

There is no question if the discussion can be laid to rest. It was done. The question is should it ? Is the request of members who have no interest in it but can't pass by, sufficient reason to do it ?

Can you suggest an alternative to members who want to keep discussing the subject or invite to see who else may be interested ?



Discussing what happened in the light is the most correct action after an event like this, what seemed to be forcing a discussion to shut up. Without it, there are grounds for the same to happen on other discussions in the future, use of the same method to silence other discussions for reasons which aren't well intended, and members avoiding starting discussions altogether to avoid something like this happening. Either such outcome is very highly poisonous

I dont think, that trace back of such things is way to get most peoples backs up. It is a way to clear it for the better
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Re: Objections to discussing topics on Lighting Gallery « Reply #14 on: April 28, 2018, 03:31:16 PM » Author: Mandolin Girl
Ash, I'm not going to bother quoting your post, you say that detailed explanations were given to all of the objections that were brought up, every one of those was countered in James' original post. We were only doing it out of concern that you would be throwing money away and would have nothing to show for it at the end.
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