Are MH bulbs banned? Everything indicates no, But I think there are some bans in place.
What about PSMH? QMH? CMH? What about "Xenon" MH?

I don't heard about ban on MH lamps in the US, but in the EU, most probe and pulse start MH lamps will be banned at 2016: http://www.osram.com/media/resource/HIRES/615522/118844/erp-guideline-phase-out-2017-and-future-proof-lamps-list-en.pdf

Attack of the EU! 

All types of metal halide are still legal here in the US. The reason being that our gov't likes to phase out technology on only the merits of efficiency and CRI, which even probe start metal halide far exceeds. If the gov't increases their minimum efficiency requirement to say 85 lm/w to knock out probe start MH, they also would need to ban most fluorescents like T8, T5, PL and induction, as well as some LED. MH is still too efficient to be banned anytime soon.

All types of metal halide are still legal here in the US. The reason being that our gov't likes to phase out technology on only the merits of efficiency and CRI, which even probe start metal halide far exceeds. If the gov't increases their minimum efficiency requirement to say 85 lm/w to knock out probe start MH, they also would need to ban most fluorescents like T8, T5, PL and induction, as well as some LED. MH is still too efficient to be banned anytime soon.

Phew.  
Actually lots of LED is 85 LPW or less.

I don't heard about ban on MH lamps in the US, but in the EU, most probe and pulse start MH lamps will be banned at 2016: http://www.osram.com/media/resource/HIRES/615522/118844/erp-guideline-phase-out-2017-and-future-proof-lamps-list-en.pdf

That's a bad joke right? They can not do it...

Quote from: dor123 on May 29, 2016, 08:34:56 AM

I don't heard about ban on MH lamps in the US, but in the EU, most probe and pulse start MH lamps will be banned at 2016: http://www.osram.com/media/resource/HIRES/615522/118844/erp-guideline-phase-out-2017-and-future-proof-lamps-list-en.pdf

That's a bad joke right? They can not do it...

I'm confused.

Well, comparing the efficacy of a 30klm beast against a 400lm device is anything but fair. The HID do reach high efficacy, but only at high power levels. For about a 600lm or below you will have hart time to find anything more efficient than LED's.
Plus the point is not that much the efficacy of the lamp alone, but the complete system starting at power connection and ending at the visibility in the desired area at the time when needed. And that is way more complex thing than just a single lm/W figure.

That said, there is no excuse for government bans: It is the operator (so the user), who is responsible to get that done in an effective way

I'm confused.

Me too... But if that's true we have to do some expensive replacements to led... Our city is illuminated by 50% of various type of metal halide in the streetlights. The remaining 50% is high pressure sodium, compact fluorescent and a small piece of led

Me too... But if that's true we have to do some expensive replacements to led... Our city is illuminated by 50% of various type of metal halide in the streetlights. The remaining 50% is high pressure sodium, compact fluorescent and a small piece of led

Florida is mostly HPS and LED.

600 Lm is the output of a 9W PL-S, that uses 12W including Magnetic ballast. At this low power it simply does not matter if the light draws 12W or 6W. I dont consider cases where 100's of those 9W PL-s are used in one room, that is bad design in the 1st place and those cases are not common

600 Lm is the output of a 9W PL-S, that uses 12W including Magnetic ballast. At this low power it simply does not matter if the light draws 12W or 6W. I dont consider cases where 100's of those 9W PL-s are used in one room, that is bad design in the 1st place and those cases are not common

This would matter if it was in a battery powered item, Like a lantern.
A savings of 1 watt could mean an extra hour or two.

The bans are all about mains powered lighting

The bans are all about mains powered lighting

So that's why I still see Incandescent flashlights.

To be more specific: The bans are all only about general service lighting.
A flashlight is not a general service lighting, but a special use. But I think the commercial market pressure will make the incandescents to end very soon there. I have strong doubts any new ones are really still made, I would rather guess all ot os just selling off the inventory...

The "Long life", "rough service", "signal" and similar are again special service lamps, so not affected by the bans.