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High Pressure Sodium Retrofit Lamp Questions! « on: March 21, 2025, 08:27:38 AM » Author: Multisubject
I am interested in getting an HPS retrofit lamp because I don’t have any HPS ballasts in my (very limited) collection but still want to be able to see HPS light.

1: Efficiency

I can only assume that the efficiency of retrofit lamps is less than the “real thing”, is this true?

2: Compatibility

What brands are there? What types of ballasts are they compatible with?

3: Best choice for me

I have only 2 ballasts, one 100W HX pulse/probe start MH ballast and one 400W CWA probe start MH ballast. What do you think would be the best lamp option for me?

Thanks again for your help! :hps:
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Re: High Pressure Sodium Retrofit Lamp Questions! « Reply #1 on: March 21, 2025, 09:32:33 AM » Author: dor123
Neon-argon filled HPS retrofit lamps, aren't suitable for CWA ballasts, as these ballasts can run them at very high currents, leading to very short lamp life, because of the lamps very high rate of lamp voltage rise during life, which isn't compliant to CWA ballasts.
If you want a HPS retrofit lamp for CWA ballast, you need a retrofit HPS lamp with a stable voltage through life like the Philips Retrolux or the EYE SunluxUltra, which are unsaturated HPS lamps that don't cycles at EOL but just glowing mercury color at EOL.
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Re: High Pressure Sodium Retrofit Lamp Questions! « Reply #2 on: March 21, 2025, 11:40:11 AM » Author: Multisubject
Thanks, do you know if there are any retrofit lamps what will fit a 100W MH ballast? I personally haven’t seen any of that wattage but I may be wrong
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Re: High Pressure Sodium Retrofit Lamp Questions! « Reply #3 on: March 21, 2025, 12:59:56 PM » Author: dor123
Most of the retrofits I know available for the American MV ballasts, are 150W, 210W, 350W and 680W and 980W. There is no retrofit for 100W MV lamps.
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Re: High Pressure Sodium Retrofit Lamp Questions! « Reply #4 on: March 21, 2025, 03:41:45 PM » Author: Multisubject
Ok, so I guess my only option is a 350W Sunlux Ultra or Retrolux...
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Re: High Pressure Sodium Retrofit Lamp Questions! « Reply #5 on: March 22, 2025, 03:04:30 PM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Thanks, do you know if there are any retrofit lamps what will fit a 100W MH ballast? I personally haven’t seen any of that wattage but I may be wrong

If you have a North American 100W M90 pulse start metal halide HX ballast, a standard European 100W high pressure sodium lamp should run perfectly fine as both North American 100W M90 pulse start metal halide lamps and European 100W high pressure sodium lamps have very similar electrical specifications to each other.

100W M90 pulse start metal halide lamps have an operating current of 1.1A and an arc voltage drop of about 100V:

https://fusion-lamps.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/spec_sheets/TAMCOUSA_DataSheet_928881.pdf

European 100W high pressure sodium lamps have an operating current of around 1.2A and an arc voltage drop of 100V:

https://www.assets.lighting.philips.com/is/content/PhilipsLighting/comf1612-pss-en_my

Even though European 100W high pressure sodium lamps and North American 100W M90 pulse start metal halide lamps have very similar electrical specifications, you will need either an E39 or E40 lampholder for the European high pressure sodium lamp as those lamps almost always use an E40 base while most North American 100W M90 pulse start metal halide lamps use an E26 base, but there are some with an E39 base too and they are less common.

Here is an example of a European 100W high pressure sodium lamp running on a North American 100W M90 pulse start metal halide HX ballast:

https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6271&pos=147&pid=186009
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Re: High Pressure Sodium Retrofit Lamp Questions! « Reply #6 on: March 22, 2025, 03:10:12 PM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Ok, so I guess my only option is a 350W Sunlux Ultra or Retrolux...

Yes. Additionally, the CEW Retro Ace 360W high pressure sodium retrofit lamps are a good option as they are rebranded Philips Retrolux lamps.
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Re: High Pressure Sodium Retrofit Lamp Questions! « Reply #7 on: March 22, 2025, 07:16:24 PM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Here are some European 100W high pressure sodium lamps I found for cheap:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356530893847

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335864733682

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356672238421

They should work well on 100W M90 pulse start metal halide HX ballasts without any circuit modifications.
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