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This is simply too late the unban, after the Chinese ruined all of the American incandescent lamp business.
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(Being aware of myself being a strait white male) I feel that human rights and equality are far more important than some outdated lightbulb. I personally love to be around incandescent but it has had a good run and has well and truly been phased out by the general public.
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Is there any HPS plants left in the US?, I wonder what big Don really thinks of LED street lighting 🤔and/or he prefers HPS?
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There is high chance he will stop any of those eventual bans, but I don't think it will change the outcome in any way: The market has already quite strong momentum towards the LEDs and there is not that much incentive to change the course, when the LED fixtures cost is not that far off from the HPS ones, but the light quality is, from a normal mortal perspective, way better even for the worst LEDs. And so is the overall system efficacy (= lower power consumption for the same formal performance criteria).
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I doubt LED even saving energy than polluting the environment. If you have noticed, the climate changes began as soon as all of the regular lamps has been banned and the LED became popular.
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Modern led is getting extremely efficient. Take currents new medium streetlight for example, the ernm, it can get about 172lpw. The early 2010s leotek ecobra has only about 100lpw. Led is ever evolving and getting better and better for many applications as time goes on. Hid on the other hand never did. The diode boards are only made of some plastic and metal, the drivers are non toxic. Climate change and environmental destruction has long been a problem, and the fact that leds came along at that time has nothing to do with it.
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While I love my incandescents & will continue to use(mainly 40w) them - even if that means getting 40w appliance bulbs - or some other random 40w.
I would rather have no incandescents at all than that raciest homophobic woman-hating bigot in office. I don't give a f about so-called "climate change". I certainly would not be proud to say I live in the DSA anymore, and almost don't want to be around to see what a cesspool of hate its gonna become in the upcoming years.
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It sure was worth putting my and the rights of so many others in jeopardy just so we can make crappy inefficient light bulbs again.
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Nobody’s rights are in jeopardy. Where does this information even come from?
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Abortion for example, I believe that everyone should have the right to choose about something like that. I know that this is a topic that some people feel very strongly about, I will very willingly remove this post if it causes discomfort to anyone. Just pm me.
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All of this is just a pipe dream ! They can unban the incandescent all they want . No one bought them here long before the bans anyways . All of the incandescents at my local stores were completely coated in dust .
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Correct, remember this isn't a forum for general political discussions, so please stick to matters related to lighting if you don't wish to see this thread locked.
I'll reiterate that very little has actually changed at this point. The executive order is a first step of many that would be required to overturn a ban. Personally I don't expect it to happen. The market for traditional lamps grows smaller every year. There's little money to be made on incandescent now that we have cheap LEDs. Public sentiment towards LED lighting is positive over all. Even for folks who don't believe it's necessary to reduce energy usage to slow climate change or conserve natural resources, most of them aren't going to be seeking out lamps with nearly 10x the power consumption. Unless it's something like a rarely used closet light, LEDs are almost always less expensive in the long run.
Whether you support Trump or not it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Maybe someday the 1600+ lumen 100W incandescent lamp will be back on the shelves, but my prediction is it's gone for good.
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Exactly ! The MV ban happened in 2008 . The last MV new commercial install that I saw took place almost 15 to 20 yrs. before that .
Unfortunately , pretty much all of these "Banned" technologies were basically dead in a casket in the ground already . All the bans did was to cover them with dirt .
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Yeah I think the ship has sailed on things like incandescent and MV. While I'd love to see things like 1600 lumen 100w incandescent lamps or 800 lumen 60w lamps, I have my doubts they'll be available again. I suppose there's a chance since 60w and 100w rough service lamps are still available. As for MV, I'd love to get new production MV ballasts but like others have said, they were already a dying technology years ago. In my area, the last MV lights were probably installed 30+ years ago. MV was never banned in Canada but after 2008, the only MV fixtures I've seen were 100w and 175w residential lights. And I doubt they got too much sales, they eventually disappeared in 2019 anyway.
However maybe with the pushback against lighting bans, technologies like fluorescent and HPS/MH might survive for a few more years than being cut short due to a ban.
I suppose incandescent lamps even now have a very niche usage now, basically only for applications where the exact look of incandescent is desired (eg for film or TV shows set in the past), applications where the heat of the incandescent lamp is desired attribute (eg lava lamps and ez bake ovens), or where the wider temperature range of a incandescent is required (eg oven lamps).
I suppose there are some older lighting controls that only work with incandescent lamps as well. For example, I have a traffic signal with a flasher that only works properly with incandescent lamp and every LED I've tried doesn't flash properly in it.
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