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Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « on: November 27, 2024, 06:15:59 AM » Author: LightsAreBright27
I have a 70w HPS/MH ballast, that can comfortably run quartz arctube lamps (like on the right). Can I run the same wattage osram powerball and philips CDM lamps on the same ballast?
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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #1 on: November 27, 2024, 06:24:52 AM » Author: LightsAreBright27
Also, I have this 70w CDM-R. Can I run this too?
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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2024, 06:57:47 AM » Author: dor123
You can run lamps with different shaped arctubes providing they are all 70W in the case of the 70W HPS/MH ballast.
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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2024, 08:53:21 AM » Author: LightsAreBright27
Thanks!
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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #4 on: November 27, 2024, 09:17:34 AM » Author: RRK
Note that some very recent types of ceramic MH lamp explicitly state electronic ballast required. So better to google datasheets and read. Certainly not related to this Philips lamp and unlikely for the old Powerball too.



 
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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #5 on: November 27, 2024, 09:40:25 AM » Author: LightsAreBright27
I tested them all and they work normally on my ballast.
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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #6 on: November 27, 2024, 09:48:10 AM » Author: RRK
Yes, but there are subtle nuances, for example the lamp may not reach the full lifetime stated in the datasheet if used on magnetic ballast. Of course, this is not much relevant for hobby use.

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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #7 on: November 27, 2024, 09:51:37 AM » Author: LightsAreBright27
The philips one struggled to strike though. It took a long time to finally ignite.
The osram one had unusual brightness fluctuations while warming up.
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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #8 on: November 27, 2024, 09:59:36 AM » Author: RRK
Well, old HPS ballast may suffer with having ignition pulses too low, except you fit it with a new external ignitor of course. Both your ceramic lamps look quite heavily used, Philips one may well have 2/3+ of the life spent. Based on how arc tube corrosion looks. But these are impressive as how color balance still holds even in such used lamps, just light output drops for sure.

 
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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #9 on: November 27, 2024, 10:32:15 AM » Author: LightsAreBright27
The philips one had less colour shifting, compared to a quartz MH with same amount of wear. Though the philips wasn't much dimmer compared to a new lamp.
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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #10 on: November 27, 2024, 12:38:11 PM » Author: dor123
Well, old HPS ballast may suffer with having ignition pulses too low, except you fit it with a new external ignitor of course. Both your ceramic lamps look quite heavily used, Philips one may well have 2/3+ of the life spent. Based on how arc tube corrosion looks. But these are impressive as how color balance still holds even in such used lamps, just light output drops for sure.
Is this possible to see the corrosion of quartz MH arctubes?
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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #11 on: November 27, 2024, 05:32:05 PM » Author: RRK
Sure. Quartz blackens / or becomes milky / or develops some pits.

One way to see a corroded area is to run MH lamp for some time while rotated 180 degrees from it's usual position, so the salt pool migrates to the other, less damaged part of quartz. Of course, for older lamps, quartz surface other than covered with salts becomes degraded over time, too.

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Re: Can I run different shaped arctube MH lamps on same ballast? « Reply #12 on: November 27, 2024, 07:03:00 PM » Author: RRK
Here is an example of corroded devitrified spot in a place where salt pool was located. 150W Excellence lamp.
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