Re: Why must the lighting industry be like this? « Reply #45 on: August 06, 2023, 07:08:09 AM » Author: dor123
Its looks to me that Israel is the world's leading in producing e-Waste from LED lighting, as most people here, preferring integrated LED fixtures over traditional fixtures with replaceable LED lamps. And @James: I didn't know about what you said, that initially there were the HPLED Like of Lumileds, Nichia and Cree, which could last forever even if driven at high currents, and than Seoul invented the MPLED which was much cheaper but don't lasts when driven at the currents of the HPLEDs.
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	Re: Why must the lighting industry be like this? « Reply #47 on: August 07, 2023, 10:35:15 AM » Author: BT25
My lighting career died due to LED...
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	Re: Why must the lighting industry be like this? « Reply #48 on: August 11, 2023, 06:43:53 AM » Author: AngryHorse
That sounds awful?, how do you mean though?, from a collection perspective or career one? With street lighting and LED, I am surprised now, after what James points out, why street lighting didn’t immediately go to the age old ‘lamp and lantern’ set up?  Not so much for the existing SOX lanterns, (although it would have been cool to utilise the same lanterns with LED tech), but more for the hundreds of ‘new’ HPS lanterns that only lasted a couple of years on our streets before being completely removed!
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	Re: Why must the lighting industry be like this? « Reply #50 on: August 26, 2023, 07:46:42 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
One of my biggest fears as a younger 23 year old collector is not being able to have enough money or storage space to be able to establish a lifetime supply of traditional light sources and that as my stock of traditional lamps runs low, I will eventually have an extremely difficult time being able to find a large supply of traditional lamps anywhere in the world since they are likely to become extremely RARE and EXPENSIVE by the time I have a fully established career in the next several years and have a decent income and that would still force me to use LED lighting, use dim fire-based light sources, or remain in the dark whether I like it or not as I have many years still left to live since many new old stock lamps, ballasts and fixtures would likely get DESTROYED to the point of going from COMMON to RARE in a very short amount of time due to the extremely low demand and due to the fact that the lamps are not allowed to be SOLD anymore due to legislation by many governments around the world.
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Desire to collect various light bulbs (especially HID), control gear, and fixtures from around the world.

DISCLAIMER: THE EXPERIMENTS THAT I CONDUCT INVOLVING UNUSUAL LAMP/BALLAST COMBINATIONS SHOULD NOT BE ATTEMPTED UNLESS YOU HAVE THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INJURIES.

	Re: Why must the lighting industry be like this? « Reply #51 on: August 26, 2023, 08:03:48 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Sometimes, our fears of once common lamps becoming rare and expensive has driven some of us like myself into financial debt and led some of us to live in cluttered houses because of our storage spaces overflowing with lamps, ballasts, and fixtures.
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Desire to collect various light bulbs (especially HID), control gear, and fixtures from around the world.

DISCLAIMER: THE EXPERIMENTS THAT I CONDUCT INVOLVING UNUSUAL LAMP/BALLAST COMBINATIONS SHOULD NOT BE ATTEMPTED UNLESS YOU HAVE THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INJURIES.

	Re: Why must the lighting industry be like this? « Reply #53 on: August 26, 2023, 08:51:10 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
One of the things I mainly worry about is new old stock lamps getting destroyed due to low demand.
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DISCLAIMER: THE EXPERIMENTS THAT I CONDUCT INVOLVING UNUSUAL LAMP/BALLAST COMBINATIONS SHOULD NOT BE ATTEMPTED UNLESS YOU HAVE THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INJURIES.

	Re: Why must the lighting industry be like this? « Reply #55 on: August 26, 2023, 01:06:34 PM » Author: Maxim
Quote from: Emersyn on August 26, 2023, 08:01:01 AM I have two parents that completely do not understand when I say I want to go to Lowes to get some F20s to F40s because they wont be there forever- It's the exact same for me. I'm 16, though I don't currently have my driver's license. Any time we visit the hardware store and I ask to purchase a few lamps that will soon be obsolete, I get a deer in headlights look. My mom understands a little more; she was always the one changing light bulbs and such when I was a small child; but my dad, he really couldn't care less. If I weren't here to maintain our installs (my mom has health complications), we'd probably be living in total darkness. I really need to get to Lowes or Home Depot and pick up a few cases of F96T12s before they're gone off of store shelves...
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My favorite lighting technologies at the moment are incandescent and mercury vapor, and my favorite Big 3 lighting brand of the late 20th century is GTE Sylvania.

About that Westinghouse Lifeguard disease, I think I've caught it. Thanks Eric!

	Re: Why must the lighting industry be like this? « Reply #57 on: August 26, 2023, 08:29:45 PM » Author: RyanF40T12
Just my thoughts-  As someone who was obsessed with fluorescent and incandescent lighting starting at about 10-11 years old, I wanted to collect and learn about how they worked.  I did for awhile, but as life moved on, things became more important for me.  The same will most likely happen for you.  I realized that much in my collection was really not all that important or special.  I enjoyed running the lamps I collected to EoL and then throwing them away.  Light collections is really not of all that interest to the majority of people out there and that is why trying to hold onto "special" lighting collections will not pay off in the long run.  50 - 100 years from now, people (if we survive) will not be interested in this stuff for the most part.  There will be much more interesting things out there and our collections will not be worth anything.  So don't go overboard with collecting.  I have a few items I will hang onto, but I don't have shelves full of stuff.
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	Re: Why must the lighting industry be like this? « Reply #58 on: August 26, 2023, 10:28:21 PM » Author: Maxim
Well stated, Ryan. To be perfectly honest, I don't "collect" much that won't be used. 95% of the things that I purchss wind up being used in some way or another; and as you said, it's thrown out upon hitting EOL, unless it holds some sentimental value in my heart. I try not to collect for the sake of it, especially lamps. Fixture I understand; you'd want to use an OV-25 daily, but lamps that aren't needed for that fixture? Nah. Just my .02 also. I think it helps with storage space!!
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Collector of all kinds of lamps, gear, and fixtures.
My favorite lighting technologies at the moment are incandescent and mercury vapor, and my favorite Big 3 lighting brand of the late 20th century is GTE Sylvania.

About that Westinghouse Lifeguard disease, I think I've caught it. Thanks Eric!

	Re: Why must the lighting industry be like this? « Reply #59 on: August 27, 2023, 03:06:46 AM » Author: AngryHorse
I do feel bad for lighting collectors today, as sadly the younger members on here missed the heyday of lighting! I was fortunate to have grown up in the 70s and 80s when everything was common place. As Ryan says, it was the fluorescent batten we had in our kitchen at home back in the late 70s, (something I’m so glad I saved before my parents sold the house, and still have today), that sparked my interest in lighting. I was also fortunate to have our town lit with SOX and linear sodium lamps as well as the remaining mercury that I just remember lighting the streets. The sad thing is today, all what has been said above with stocks and sales must put a big obstacle in the way of today’s collectors? When I started working in the early 90s, and earning my own money, every lighting tech was still wildly available off the shelves so collectors had no problems in getting anything! But as Ryan says, as you get older you will move onto other things and lighting will become a distant memory. My interest in lighting is just a glowing ember now to the raging fire that it was in the 90s, but even with a fair collection of LED lamps at my disposal, I still run the traditional CFLs for all my lighting at home!
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