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Humour me for a minute here, but I’ve just fired up a 15watt Pygmy, and it’s doing something electrically impossible?? It’s flickering, like something with a bad connection, but it’s certainly not that, I first thought it was the filament ‘wiggling’, like when you bump a tungsten lamp with a thin filament........., but it’s not that either It’s something I’ve never EVER seen before, and should be scientifically and electrically impossible?? I’ve looked closely at the filament under a magnifying glass, and there’s no break or twist in it, but the flickering is being caused by a 2mm section of filament going out, then coming back on!!!! Now I can understand this on a row of LED diodes, but not on something resistant heated by a flow of electricity! I wish I could show you all this, this tiny section is not dimming it’s completely going out, then coming back on!, that can’t be? You’re thoughts?
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I tried, but you can’t zoom in that well with an iPhone camera, you just get a flickery Pygmy lamp!, I was watching it through the reflection of the screen of my phone while off, and it’s a section just before it goes through the support loop on the stem?
I know a heated filament cools as it goes through the loop itself, but this doesn’t explain the flashing on and off like a broken LED string??
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Short circuits either between turns of the filament coil or support wires, both influeneced by heat, so thermally cycling (the same as wire bonds on LEDs do when such crazy flashing by the way). It is well possible the tap on the bulb is not enough to reposition the structures to stop that happening...
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Short circuits either between turns of the filament coil or support wires, both influeneced by heat, so thermally cycling (the same as wire bonds on LEDs do when such crazy flashing by the way). It is well possible the tap on the bulb is not enough to reposition the structures to stop that happening...
That's thermal expension, the filament is acting like a bimetalic switch, when it heats up it opens the circuit and when it cools down it closes, cycling like the old flashy incandescent xmas lights. That effect also causes incandescent bulbs to buzz with light dimmers, the filament has not enough time to cool down, creating harmonic acoustic oscillations.
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Yeah I remember the bimetallic Christmas lights, but just to be clear, the whole filament stays lit at all times, just a tiny section in it is going out, it sounds like what Medved describes but without a more powerful magnifying glass I can’t be 100% sure? It’s just strange to observe a tiny section of a full heated filament flashing on and off
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Yep, now it is more likely to be a short across the wire supports. The thermal expansion causes the support wires to slightly touch each other, but for that the wires must be sitting very very close to each other in the glass support. The filament doesn't turn off at all because it is such a tiny contact point, with high resistance. Does the other section of the dilament get brighter? Can you take a video of it, at leats for see the flicker behaviour?
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I really wish that I could observe this for myself, it sounds a fascinating phenomenon
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As I’m not on YouTube, or have any means of sharing videos, not sure how I could do that, but it’s like taking a lit tungsten lamp with a very thin and fragile filament and tapping it, and as the filament bounces, it creates a flickering effect, sadly with an iPhone camera though, you can’t get close enough to be able see the tiny section of filament flashing!
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Well when we're finally able to travel, we'll have to come and visit (be scared, be very, very scared )
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Not even a cycle of pictures? You could post them as an attached file.
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Ok, this is the best close up I can do, the effected spot is circled, and this section going on and off is causing the flickering effect
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That's good enough, and a strange one indeed
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It’s really weird to watch, like someone turning just that little bit on and off with a switch!
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Maybe James or Max might have an idea
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