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Is the Incandescent light just a short circuit? « on: May 08, 2018, 07:20:50 AM » Author: F96T12 DD VHO
I was really thinking about this since I see the hot lead and the neutral lead and the filament is in the middle?

Am I over thinking it or is it really simple?
 
Or am I just wrong?
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Re: Is the Incandescent light just a short circuit? « Reply #1 on: May 08, 2018, 07:35:56 AM » Author: Lumex120
I was really thinking about this since I see the hot lead and the neutral lead and the filament is in the middle?

Am I over thinking it or is it really simple?
 
Or am I just wrong?
It's just a resistive load, so no. Incandescent bulbs are just small heaters.
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Re: Is the Incandescent light just a short circuit? « Reply #2 on: May 08, 2018, 07:47:46 AM » Author: dor123
Discharge lamps such as fluorescent lamps and HID lamps, are short circuit when operated without a ballast, as the discharge don't limit the current by itself like the filament does.
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Re: Is the Incandescent light just a short circuit? « Reply #3 on: May 08, 2018, 08:04:32 AM » Author: lightinglover8902
An incandscent light bulb has a filament resistive wire that glows and heats up when a electrical current is applied. The same thing that goes with halogen lamps, they do also have a filament resistive wire. Which depends on the halogen lamp size.

So, incandscent and halogen lamps are only resistive loads.
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Re: Is the Incandescent light just a short circuit? « Reply #4 on: May 08, 2018, 08:05:15 AM » Author: F96T12 DD VHO
I do use them as space heaters
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Re: Is the Incandescent light just a short circuit? « Reply #5 on: May 08, 2018, 08:06:58 AM » Author: F96T12 DD VHO
Ok thanks, this was making me wonder
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Re: Is the Incandescent light just a short circuit? « Reply #6 on: May 08, 2018, 01:01:21 PM » Author: Ash
You were not far off however. The relatively thick filament of low voltage Halogen lamps is, in fact, nearly short circuit when cold (so when the voltage is first applied). Only when it heats up, it builds up the resistance. So such lamps draw a big current spike when switched on. This happens but to lower extent with higher voltage Halogens, and to even lower extent with ordinary Incandescents

Also, many electronic ballasts present a momentary near-short circuit when switched on, that is caused by the input filtering capacitance that have to charge up in very short time
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Re: Is the Incandescent light just a short circuit? « Reply #7 on: May 11, 2018, 12:36:24 AM » Author: 589
You were not far off however. The relatively thick filament of low voltage Halogen lamps is, in fact, nearly short circuit when cold (so when the voltage is first applied). Only when it heats up, it builds up the resistance. So such lamps draw a big current spike when switched on. This happens but to lower extent with higher voltage Halogens, and to even lower extent with ordinary Incandescents

Also, many electronic ballasts present a momentary near-short circuit when switched on, that is caused by the input filtering capacitance that have to charge up in very short time

Would inrush current limiting be a secondary reason 12v  halogens have a transformer then?
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Re: Is the Incandescent light just a short circuit? « Reply #8 on: May 11, 2018, 04:09:05 AM » Author: Ash
It helps to some extent (the leakage impedance of the transformer is in series with the load, so limiting the short circuit current, yet it does not have as significant effect when in running mode), but hey, in cars the transformer is not needed to step the voltage, and it seems that there is no problem without it (such as welding relay contacts by the high current) ?
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Re: Is the Incandescent light just a short circuit? « Reply #9 on: May 11, 2018, 08:00:47 AM » Author: 589
Thanks for the clarification. That's what I was thinking along the lines of the transformers use.

In my years I've spent in the car repair business I have not come across stuck relay contacts yet. Most vehicles I've come across actuate the lighting system via switch or solid state means therefore reducing the possibility of stuck contacts. I have seen burnt up headlight switches though. The only relay consistently that I have found especially in older vehicles is the turn signal flasher. They occasionally do fail closed.
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