Not sure why this was reported. As far as I'm concerned people are allowed to have their opinions.

Back in the day you could shell out 1 or 2 dollars for an incandescent lamp and have it last it's rated lifetime (nowadays not so much) . If you shell out 1 or 2 dollars for an LED. Generally it lasts a month or two.

When you say there is "no choice," are you projecting yourself and what only you want to see, or are you including every consumer? Yes, as a lighting collector if you head on to a big box store with products aimed for the general public, you're gonna be disappointed, just like you wouldn't head to a new dealership to buy a classic car.

There is plenty of choice, you just have to find it. And it's not that hard. Just stop expecting boring store chains to carry stuff no one wants anymore. Amazon, eBay, support your local mom and pop to buy their old stock, and so on... I'm able to find 100W, 150W and even 15,000 hrs rated incandescents for next to nothing on eBay.

We won't buy anything from Amazon because of their data mining practices. 
We have bought from ebay, but stock on there is dwindling and prices are climbing.   
We could spend time going round the local independent retailers to see if they've got anything, but a lot of them have gone now 

We won't buy anything from Amazon because of their data mining practices. 
We have bought from ebay, but stock on there is dwindling and prices are climbing.   
We could spend time going round the local independent retailers to see if they've got anything, but a lot of them have gone now 

Although we live in a city centre, there is ONE independent retailer within reasonable distance. We don't have a car, so are limited to walking and possibly public transport. I confess we haven't been into that shop recently, they have been closed down and have had to relocate since the start of the lockdown etc. and have only recently reopened. In any case, with my phobia of face coverings, we try and go out as little as possible, so eBay has seen a lot of business from us of late.

Quality-made LEDs lights exist, you're just not willing to shell out the money for it. As with everything else, you get what you pay for.
You spend a miserable dollar on a 4-pack and you're like a deer in the headlights when they fail? Come on man.

This is very true of the consumer, remember when the first electronic CFL came out, particularly Philips’s PLCE, using the best glass tubing, the best phosphors and the best electronic components money could buy, what happened?
The consumer didn’t want to pay for the quality!, that’s what brought about the Genies!, knock off prices for a lamp with cheaper made parts!
Even then though, the Genies were not bad lamps, but they were no where near as good as Philips PLCEs!

LED is going the same way as CFL did, but their not all Far Eastern crap!, there’s decent company’s in China that DO actually make decent lamps, and the best I’ve found to date are one’s made by Sunny World Xiaoxing

Ok, I was too exaggerated there saying that all the LEDs are trash. My point is that there are less quality LEDs than back in the day.

According to what data? What do you deem higher quality in older models than the ones offered presently?

But lemme guess... do all expensive LEDs worth their quality? There are expensive LEDs that worth, and you can perfectly get scammed even in trustable retails.

So? Return it. How often do manufacturing defects happens to you?

That can be stated for literally anything made. You just seem to broadcast an oddly specific agenda in the hopes of dismissing a light source, on a lighting website. For people logged or reading on here who don't know much and want to learn a thing or two, they're reading off people with biased arguments based on emotions, disdain and guesstimates, on a technology, engineering and science oriented website. Knowledge is power, and assumptions spread bull-(...).

When the Philips AmbientLEDs first hit store shelves here, they sold for around $26 CAD a lamp and I think most consumers balked at the price and continued to buy the cheaper CFLs and incandescent lamps instead. I bought one at the time more for the novelty of having a 800 lumen LED lamp that had a reasonable light distribution. Just around a year before I saw the AmbientLEDs, LED lamps were either too dim or too directional for general lighting.

It wasn't until they started making them to a price point of $5 or less per lamp did I think consumers really started using LED lamps instead of CFL/incandescent. However at the price point you can see the effects of cost cutting compared to the AmbientLEDs, gone were the large heatsinks, and I'd imagine the drivers probably got simplified and cheapened too.

Now I think high quality LED lamps are probably still made, but are no longer marketed to consumers like the AmbientLED lamps were. Instead I guess they're either bundled with smart features in the consumer market or only available from specialist retailers. 

According to what data? What do you deem higher quality in older models than the ones offered presently?

It is just thing of making memory, back in the good quality LEDs were more available, but with the time the cheaper ones came to the game for being more consumer friendly, and the top quality ones became more or less a niche to e.g. building lighting, photography and luxury places, and the standard ones passed to be the most popular to the average consumer. Then Ebay came with irresistible offers but not better quality. Note that I'm not saying that all on Ebay or other online stores have bad quality products, there is everything there from junk to the top of the top quality. Keep it in mind.

So? Return it. How often do manufacturing defects happens to you?

I won't return anything because I know what I buy, and I won't buy dodgy things unless I buy it on purpose. I never spoke about manufacturing defects, and no, I've never got manufacturing defects, because when I buy on retail stores I test the lamps on the test rig before buying them.

ou just seem to broadcast an oddly specific agenda in the hopes of dismissing a light source, on a lighting website. For people logged or reading on here who don't know much and want to learn a thing or two, they're reading off people with biased arguments based on emotions, disdain and guesstimates, on a technology, engineering and science oriented website. Knowledge is power, and assumptions spread bull-(...).

First of all I'm not trying to convince anyone to think how I, I'm just exposing my opinion as how all members here do. If you see it the other way, you do, but admins will decide if an exposed opinion is directly or indirectly attacking an specific member about his/her preferences. But if I see an exposed opinion that is not with mine and it's not directly pointing to me I just keep scrolling.

Second thing. People here decide what to learn or not and from what source.

And no further discussion, I'll not keep arguing because it's gonna lead nowhere. You see the thing by one way and I see the things by my way.

Sunsets. Whether the day has been good or bad, you can always look forward to a sunset to close it out with.



This topic has had its day and it's time for it to come to an end as well. Topic Locked.