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I was outside the mall waiting for the bus this afternoon, and I looked up at the several downlighters that light the entrance area. I noticed that the lamps inside them, which I assume are metal halide lamps, had a color identical to a DX-coated mercury vapor (or at least, my Philips Lifeguard mercury vapor lamps). A kind of purple-like color halfway between a white and cool white fluorescent, very pretty. I just did some looking here, and it seems DX-coated MH lamps do exist. Could the lamps I saw have been them? Or are there MH lamps that naturally emit a color similar to a DX MV? I could try and identify the lamps I saw, although I'm not comfortable with the idea of staring up at a light fixture in public. ![Roll Eyes ::)](/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Yes, what you saw was likely a DX coated halide lamp, Ive seen many similar cases as I do plenty of lighting repairs and installs in my trade. As far as I know all Venture coated MH lamps use the same DX phosphor as in mercury lamps. When they reach end of life and the MH arc tube begins to burn more dim and green the phosphor actually corrects some of the green color and produces a color very reminiscent of a DX mercury lamp. The phosphor being used in MH lamps also helps a bit with flicker as voltage crosses the zero axis and the arc extinguishes the phosphor still glows in that interval
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I've seen many /DX coated MH lamps in Israel. Mainly Venture 70-150W, but also GE Multivapor 400W and Philips HPI-BUS 400W.
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Interesting. Are most coated MH lamps DX? I notice many say "4000k", but I couldn't find any that specifically said DX.
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I would guess many coated MH's have just a diffusion layer, not a phosphor. The Na-Sc is usually about 4000K just the arc, so does not need any color correction.
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medved is correct as the the metal halide arctube needs no aid whatsoever from phosphors unlike mercury lamps, and the coating is used simply for diffusion like frosted incandescents. However Ive noticed almost all coated metal halide lamps use the DX phosphor, the reason for this is it removes an additional step from manufacturing thus decreasing production cost. The DX phosphor works fine for diffusing the light and is often cheaper for the manufacturer to use instead of going the extra step and coating the lamps with the non-phosphor coating...especially when DX mercury lamps are made on the same equipment
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Another example of this is most coated HPS lamps are DX phosphor coated too. I took a GE coated 150w HPS lamp and broke the outer envelope off at the base, removed the base and internal HPS arc tube and exposed the coating to UV, and wouldnt you guess...it glowed pink.
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I've seen many Na-Sc of Venture and GE and the Philips HPI-BUS tri-salt lamp, have an Eu: YPV phosphor red emission in the spectrum during run-up, when only the mercury ionised. In the Philips HPI-BUS, you can see this phosphor emission also during full regime, as a fourth red band. I've also seen several 70W internal starter HPS lamps in Qiryat Ata, which have this red phosphor emission during run-up.
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I lives in Israel, which is a 220-240V, 50hz country.
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It is true, when the YPV is the same cost or even cheaper than other (just diffusing) materials, why not to use it just as a diffuser...
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Some of the metal halide lamps used in North America are definitely phosphor coated. The sodium scandium lamps are somewhat lacking in the red end of the spectrum, so phosphor is used to increasse the red content. CMH and other non-sodium scandium MH lamps have sufficient red, so the coated lamps use just silica for diffusion.
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Interesting, thanks guys. With this in mind, I wouldn't mind grabbing such a 50 watt MH lamp someday (I'm possibly getting a 50 watt MH ballast for my MV fixture, anyway). Too bad I fear their violent method of EOL. ![Tongue :P](/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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