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Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « on: March 02, 2025, 08:41:02 PM » Author: Cole D.
Has anyone ever seen at older shopping centers, having suspended ceilings over the covered front walkways, and 2x4 fluorescent troffer fixtures in them, like you’d typically expect  to see inside a building instead?

I can think of two old shopping centers I saw this at. One of them was partly abandoned for years, but since was remodeled, and when that happened they got rid of the suspended ceilings. I think the other eventually remodeled as well.

Always seemed like a strange setup to me, as wind could easily blow the ceiling tiles or the troffer diffuser panels out I would assume?
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Re: Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « Reply #1 on: March 02, 2025, 09:23:40 PM » Author: joseph_125
Definitely a strange setup. Standard troffer fixtures are also ungasketed which means they tend to fill up with bugs and dust/dirt relatively quickly when used outdoors. Not to mention that in my area, standard fluorescent lamps tend to get dim during the coldest days of the winter. HO troffers existed but were fairly rare.

You can also get gasketed troffers which will provide some protection from bugs and dust/dirt. The subway stations here use them as brake dust gets into standard troffers.

HID canopy fixtures and HID recessed cans were more common for something like that.   
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Re: Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « Reply #2 on: March 02, 2025, 09:58:35 PM » Author: Cole D.
Yeah, definitely odd.

I just remembered that the bank I use also has suspended ceilings under the drive thru teller areas. These are all much newer 2000s era buildings. The ceiling tiles are the washable smooth type. They also have the 2x4 troffers and they would get bugs in them. I think they replaced the fluorescent troffers with some sort of led now though. I’d almost forgotten as I rarely go to the bank anymore.

I can remember some old bank drive thrus we’d go to as a kid had 2x4 troffers and some having discolored diffuser panels. Those would usually have solid ceilings though.
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Re: Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « Reply #3 on: March 02, 2025, 11:48:39 PM » Author: icefoglights
Definitely a strange setup. Standard troffer fixtures are also ungasketed which means they tend to fill up with bugs and dust/dirt relatively quickly when used outdoors. Not to mention that in my area, standard fluorescent lamps tend to get dim during the coldest days of the winter. HO troffers existed but were fairly rare.

You can also get gasketed troffers which will provide some protection from bugs and dust/dirt. The subway stations here use them as brake dust gets into standard troffers.

HID canopy fixtures and HID recessed cans were more common for something like that.
Same deal where I live.  Overhangs covering walkways would usually have recessed HID lighting.  There is one hardware/sporting goods store that used to have HO fluorescent strips outside, but they later replaced them with metal halide canopy lights.
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Re: Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2025, 12:08:16 AM » Author: joseph_125
Some of the older 1950s and 1960s plazas here had HO fluorescent strips under the canopy. Usually 8ft strips but some used 4ft strips instead. The HO troffers were rarer to see. I've only seen them twice, one plaza had 1x4 ones with drop dish style lenses.

Incandescent/halogen PAR recessed cans were also used in some places, sometimes you'd see them relamped with CFLs and those worked about as well as you expect in the winter. I've also see recessed squares, those weren't too common.
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Re: Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « Reply #5 on: March 08, 2025, 07:30:12 PM » Author: Cole D.
The Publix shopping center here used to have enclosed vapor tight style fluorescent strips over the walkways, but they since replaced them with recessed lights, I want to say PL fluorescents. Although they did not repaint where the fluorescent lights used to be, so you can see the outline of paint where they once were mounted.

Another shopping center has recessed style fluorescent troffers. And yet another, has surface mount slimline fluorescents. That looks cheapest.

I remember a lot of old 1970s center had those square recessed fixtures that I guess were often MV.
I’ve seen a lot of centers in other towns with those cheap square surface mounted LED fixtures like econolight. At least those are outdoor rated.
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Re: Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « Reply #6 on: March 08, 2025, 11:21:10 PM » Author: xmaslightguy
There's a bank here that has a grid ceiling on the canopy over the drive-through, used to have standard 2x4 troffers, but they were replaced with LED panels a few years ago.
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Re: Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « Reply #7 on: March 08, 2025, 11:25:32 PM » Author: joseph_125
I wonder how those are holding up. LED panels don't hold up well in my area outdoors. They tend to degrade from reflected sunlight and have spotty diffusion.
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Re: Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « Reply #8 on: March 09, 2025, 12:05:26 AM » Author: xmaslightguy
Wouldn't be too surprised if they don't hold up the best. .lol.
I've never been by that place at night, so don't know how it looks.
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Re: Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « Reply #9 on: March 09, 2025, 12:51:29 AM » Author: Cole D.
Yeah my bank has the same setup in the drive thru, replaced with LED panels as well. I haven’t been thru the drive thru in quite a while, so I don’t know how they are now.
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Re: Older shopping centers with 2X4 troffers outside? « Reply #10 on: March 23, 2025, 11:37:33 AM » Author: Cole D.
Here’s an example of what I was talking about, an old shopping center having suspended ceilings in the walkways. In this case are some old looking fluorescent strips, instead of troffers. Although further down, are some 2x2 troffers.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Ai8ENHyfbi8sd7sz6
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