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Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « on: November 27, 2024, 05:11:45 AM » Author: dor123
I bought this lamp from Aliexpress at 14.2.2021:


When it was new, its spectrum was rich in dysprosium:


As the time elapsed, I've seen that the dysprosium emission get weaker and weaker, despite I barely using this lamp, because of it awful color and its UVA radiation which heats me.
Now the spectrum looks like this:


Why the dysprosium emission getting weaker during time, despite the lamp are rarely used???
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Re: Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « Reply #1 on: November 27, 2024, 05:21:26 AM » Author: AngryHorse
Manufacturers apathy?, given HID lamps are now a thing of the past, nobody really cares anymore about how their durability will be 🤨
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Re: Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2024, 05:27:17 AM » Author: dor123
The degradation happening when the lamp is in its package, not in use.
I know dysprosium can lost from the arctube, according to what I've seen in the Osram HQI-BT 400W/D, that get green with age, but this happening during the operation of the lamp, not when the lamp don't working.
Why that the dysprosium would lost from the arctube when it is cold. Also: I've seen that the arctube have tons of liquid dysprosium, so it looks like less and less dysprosium evaporating as the time elapse.
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Re: Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2024, 09:19:16 AM » Author: RRK
The only chance is the outer bulb is leaky, so with some gas present the burner will run cooler/greener.

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Re: Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « Reply #4 on: November 27, 2024, 09:22:43 AM » Author: RRK
Also, especially for poorly made lamp, outer bulb may crack with handling. Leaked lamps may show some iridescent/black oxidation on internal lead wires and getter.
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Re: Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « Reply #5 on: November 27, 2024, 09:30:47 AM » Author: dor123
The lamp don't seems to leak, as the outerbulb is still clear.
Also: In the picture of its arc, you can see tons of liquid dysprosium that simply don't evaporate.
I hope that the solid DyI don't corrodes with the arctube when cold.
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Re: Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « Reply #6 on: November 27, 2024, 09:51:30 AM » Author: RRK
I have some NOS Soviet rare earth lamps made for 1980's Moscow Olympics, that's 44 years, but still working OK, so definitely do not worry, haha)

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Re: Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « Reply #7 on: December 04, 2024, 03:42:05 AM » Author: tigerelectronics
It is possible that the seal isn't perfect, and that some air has perhaps entered. Hard to tell for sure, though
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Re: Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « Reply #8 on: December 04, 2024, 12:30:52 PM » Author: RRK
Well, leakage is what I said before. BUT for metal halides, it is customary to wait circa 100 hours of burn-in before starting to discuss if the lamp fits manufacturer's parameters like CCT. Before this, even a good lamp can drift wildly.

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Re: Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « Reply #9 on: December 04, 2024, 12:40:38 PM » Author: dor123
@tigerelectronics: The arctube don't leaking in the outerbulb. Also arctube leak in QMH lamps is very rare phenomenon, more common in CMH lamps.
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Re: Why my 6500K 70W Aliexpress degrading when not in use « Reply #10 on: December 04, 2024, 03:02:19 PM » Author: RRK
We are talking about outside air leaking into outer bulb. That won't kill the lamp outright, but will change thermal, and so, color balance.
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