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Grounding the preheat ballast makes it more... Blink happy? « on: September 17, 2024, 03:01:50 AM » Author: sdsw4
I have a homemade desk lamp that has two LS-113-TP preheat ballasts driving some regular (not HO) Werker F13T5 tubes.
There is also a center F15T8 tube that was preheat driven as well, but the ballast started to get real loud and unpleasant to work under.
I decided to convert the center tube to trigger rapid start with an RLQ-120-TP ballast, which I kind of like more.

As part of setting up the ground for the rapid start, I decided to properly ground the other ballasts. But a side affect seems that the tubes became much more blink happy.
Before, on a "cold start" I would get one or two blinks and the lamps start. Now the lamps blink 8-10 times before they start. Both "hot restart" or "cold."
The ballasts are mounted about a 1/4" behind the tubes.

Is this normal? I mean it's a nice show, but that can't be good for the tubes.
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Re: Grounding the preheat ballast makes it more... Blink happy? « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2024, 02:52:08 PM » Author: RRK
Grounding the case significantly increases the capacitance from the lamp part of the circuit to the ground. That may really decrease starter's inductive kick amplitude, or change its distribution between lamp ends in the case of a symmetrical choke.

Also, if the ballast is really old, insulation may deteriorate, and earth leakage again can steal some starter kick energy from the lamp.

From practice, I'd say it is not normal behavior, but I mostly mess with higher voltage 230V lamp circuits.



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Re: Grounding the preheat ballast makes it more... Blink happy? « Reply #2 on: October 01, 2024, 01:37:12 AM » Author: sdsw4
Okay, wait yeah now that you mention capacitance and starter, why didn't I think of that. It seems that the capacitance is causing the tube to "strike" before the filaments are properly warmed.
I stuck a "fresh" starter in one tube and it went back to "blink blink, glowing ends briefly, ding-start" while the older starter just kept blinking for 3-4 seconds.
Replaced the other starter, and that stopped the blinks.

So yeah, thank you for mentioning the starters. Previously, I used this metric to test my rapid-start's ground, but now it seems this metric helps to show when a starter is about to go.

Of course, pics
Pic1: During blink happy, bottom tube at its brightest during "Blink fest" and top just went out


Pic2: During operation. The center tube is not on.


Same exposure settings during both.
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