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Expensive overpriced Chinese made junk « on: July 16, 2021, 02:38:42 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
If you all know about cheap Chinese junk lighting fail shortly after manufacture, has anyone ever encountered expensive and overpriced Chinese made light bulbs, ballasts, and/or fixtures that end up failing shortly after receiving them?

For example, has someone had to deal with an expensive Chinese-made integrated LED fixture failing after only a few months or days after installation?
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Re: Expensive overpriced Chinese made junk « Reply #1 on: July 16, 2021, 12:35:22 PM » Author: RCM442
While I deal with a lot of this at work, not everything is junk!
Satco rough service bulbs go on and on! Got nearly 10 years out of a set! Just have to pick and choose! While the integrated LEDs really do bother me! I've replaced so many of them!
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Re: Expensive overpriced Chinese made junk « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2021, 01:16:28 PM » Author: Medved
The relation between price and quality usually works just the one way only: Good quality won't be cheap.
Otherwise if the thing is expensive, there is nothing preventing that from being junk.
And of course, if something is cheap to purchase, it is really extremely rare for it to be anything but junk.
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Re: Expensive overpriced Chinese made junk « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2021, 01:22:49 PM » Author: sox35
As I've said before, the Chinese will make what the customer asks for. You want cheap crap, they'll make you cheap crap. You want quality, they can do that too, but it'll cost you more. Unfortunately, most people put cheapness over quality and that's why the markets are flooded with this stuff - it's what people seem to want.

By the way, let's try and be respectful here, we do have Chinese members on the site. Please read Rule #2.
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Re: Expensive overpriced Chinese made junk « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2021, 04:13:51 PM » Author: James
Ria is absolutely right.  The Chinese can and do make among the best products in the world.  Even lamps and lighting equipment.  It's highly likely that your smartphone and many other devices you consider to be of outstanding quality are Chinese.  The only reason that poor quality products end up in the Western countries is due to the sick situation of unscrupulous purchasing managers employed by Western companies choosing to source the cheapest products they can find - in an effort to maximise their own profits. 

Years ago when most lighting products were made in the West, there were only a small handful of manufacturers, and almost without exception their focus was on delivering the best product they could make.  The brand name displayed on the product tended to be the same as the name of the manufacturer, and the distributors, wholesalers and retailers had no choice but to buy those products.  Following the start of globalisation, an entirely new class of job emerged : the sourcing manager.  Often such people were employed by the wholesalers and retailers and their job was to send people to China to find new factories who could supply them with products at lower costs than the domestic manufacturers.  Those people tended to have a very basic understanding of product quality, and frankly not really much interest in that.  It was not something they ever really needed to consider before, because the domestic manufacturers took care of that for them.  The goal given to these sourcing people by their bosses was simply to buy products at lowest possible cost.  So when they walk into a Chinese factory and all the emphasis is on cost-cutting, and the factory realises that if they don't cut corners with quality they will simply lose the business to another factory who is prepared to reduce its quality, naturally they will deliver what their customer asks them for.  The customer is always king.  In the mean time some of these sourcing companies realised that if they sell junk, their customers will abandon them and their business will fail.  So some of them also set up their own quality departments in an effort to decrease costs and quality only just so far that most customers might not notice, and they retain their business.  But I am sorry to see that the vast majority just don't care or don't even know how to source good quality products.  If they find they can't make a profit selling a certain product, they just shift to trying something else and will earn a decent income for a few years more until the customers figure out they are selling junk once again.

So if you are fed up with poor quality lighting products, don't blame the Chinese factories.  That is really not fair.  Instead blame the owner of the brand : most likely an American or European company whose strategy is simply to rip you off by sourcing products at the lowest possible cost and selling them to you for the highest possible cost.  It is these Western sourcing companies who I believe do not deserve to be in business.  Buy instead from a different brand whose sourcing people do have an interest in quality and who ask their Chinese suppliers to deliver something better.  But then you must also realise that to buy from those kind of companies will probably cost you rather more.  You get what you pay for!
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Re: Expensive overpriced Chinese made junk « Reply #5 on: July 18, 2021, 03:09:25 AM » Author: AngryHorse
I second that too, and would like to showcase these, I know very little about the shengzhou sanjiu lamp co. ltd, but these LED drivers are excellent quality!, these have outlived more than 20 Tridonic drivers installed in the lights at work, and the Saxby fittings these are in are now well over 6 years old and all are still running strong today!
Their in use 6 days a week for about 10 hours each day at 360 days a year!
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Re: Expensive overpriced Chinese made junk « Reply #6 on: July 18, 2021, 08:10:17 AM » Author: dor123
My Hyundai Baguette 102, HY-2088/21W, 21W T5 Chinese fixture, still going strong, since January 2011 until now. Its electronic ballast, made by Shangyu sunlit electric appliance for illumination co., LTD, China, still working, despite tortured by the last brownout in my hostel at 14.5.2020.

My Sachs bug zapper with its two FSL 6W T5 UVA lamps, its Yongxin branded magnetic ballast and the generic transformer for the zapping net, still works this days. The lamps and the ballast lasts long both because the ballast factor is perfect so it don't underdrives the lamps, and because of my two Arlen EFS120 pulsestarters that I got from the UK member FrontSideBus, which have EOL protection and programmed starting that don't overloading the ballast like glow starters have, and prolongs the lamps life.
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Re: Expensive overpriced Chinese made junk « Reply #7 on: July 19, 2021, 01:35:07 AM » Author: AngryHorse
Yeah, we as end users on LG need to start highlighting the decent lighting products from China instead of complaining about the bad ones!, whether that’s lamps, gear or anything LED.
But the problem is then, being able to identify who’s stuff is coming from which factory?, and that’s difficult considering the amount of lighting manufacturers in China!
But here’s my two to start with, the drivers from SJL, and they also do, (or did)?, fluorescent chokes, and the one I have mentioned numerous times on here, a lamp company called ‘Sunny World Shaoxing Green Lighting Co’ LTD, (also known as Super Trend or Luxtek).

Their LED lamps sold here are from one of our biggest DIY chains in the UK called B+Q, and carry the DIALL brand name, I will only use DIALL LED lamps at home now as I know they have proven themselves as quality made lamp, and out of all the brands I’ve tested, it’s these that have never suffered an early failure and are all still going strong with thousands of hours on them now.

I suppose my point is here, it helps if you know where your home branded lamps are coming from, so you can then know what you’re paying for!
It’s a shame the Chinese manufacturers don’t put their own name on products here, as James has said, so it would be easier to choose what you buy!
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Re: Expensive overpriced Chinese made junk « Reply #8 on: July 20, 2021, 05:31:04 PM » Author: James
I do agree!  Especially about having manufacturer's names on products.  But in China there is a situation that it is only allowed to export products when you have a government export license.  For whatever reasons, the manufacturers tend not to have these licenses, and they sell to trading companies who are then allowed to export.  The trader typically has no link to the manufacturer, so it would be useless to know their name.

The Diall brand lamps are probably above-average, although you do get better performance from others.  They are made by Sunny World Shaoxing, actually a Hongkong company but now with its factories in Shaoxing.  For several years they were owned by Osram which transferred its halogen Classic Eco production to there, along with some CFLi.  Since then they bought some good Taiwanese machinery for making LED filament types.  You can see a nice overview of their production at http://www.stll.com/about.html
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