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Plasma Streetlights « on: March 19, 2026, 02:07:41 AM » Author: mefurd98
Does anyone have any information on plasma streetlights? Whatever happened to them? Were any installed on a large-scale basis?  I think they first showed up in the early 2010s if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Plasma Streetlights « Reply #1 on: March 19, 2026, 02:58:24 AM » Author: Medved
There were some disputes about these lights jamming Sirius satellite radio service.
Because morons at Sirius thought it is very wise strategy to save money by using "free" ISM 2.45GHz band instead of proper licensing of some brequencies when designing a system involving billion dollar investment into satellite fleet. And then later, when someone really uses the band for its original purpose (aka microwave energy transfer, with some inevitable leaks outside), Sirius starts complaining those lights must be made so they would not disturb their radio service. And moron courts sided with the radio, completely ignoring what the band primary allocation was in the first place.
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Re: Plasma Streetlights « Reply #2 on: March 19, 2026, 05:34:27 AM » Author: Baked bagel 11
Wow, never heard of them, that's super cool!

Here are some things that may be of interest,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2010/09/01/beyond-leds-indiana-town-goes-for-light-emitting-plasma-to-save-money/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330347309_Cost-and_Energy-Effi_cient_LED_Induction_and_Plasma_Roadway_Lighting_JOINT_TRANSPORTATION_RESEARCH_PROGRAM

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6866421,-85.7703508,3a,15y,139.46h,112.45t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sy5SbFd9FtiK0sr2O0WvZ3w!2e0!5s20230601T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-22.446525305680254%26panoid%3Dy5SbFd9FtiK0sr2O0WvZ3w%26yaw%3D139.46317349208232!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMxNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

One company who made these streetlights appeared to be called Luxim, who seemed to be at the wab address of http://Luxim.com , they seemed to be out of buisness by 2015. Unfortunatley the wayback machine isn't working for me right now, so I can't see what's in that site.

Hope this stuff helps. :)
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Re: Plasma Streetlights « Reply #3 on: March 19, 2026, 05:57:17 AM » Author: RRK
There is quite detailed Youtube teardown video from Australia on dismantling sulfur microwave lantern.

As much as we all love conspiracy theories, I believe the system was buried by pure economical reasons:

- tremendously overcomplicated! Really visible in this video. Incessant RF shields to keep microwave energy at home. Two running fans to keep the thermal mode - imagine this in an outdoor lantern!!! An extra motor just to rotate discharge bulb.

- huge bulky expensive and inefficient transformer to power magnetron

- magnetron is inefficient by iself

- magnetron has a finite life of just a few thousand hours
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Re: Plasma Streetlights « Reply #4 on: March 25, 2026, 02:11:14 PM » Author: Lcubed3
...And moron courts sided with the radio, completely ignoring what the band primary allocation was in the first place.

That's not actually true, they sided with the lamp manufacturers. From Wikipedia: "In May 2003, the FCC terminated the proceeding that would have defined out-of-band emission limits for radio-frequency lights operating at 2.45 GHz, saying the record of the proceeding had become outdated and Fusion Lighting had stopped working on such lamps.[9] The order concluded:

We therefore decline to provide the requested relief from the Satellite Radio Licensees to prohibit operation of all RF lights in the 2.45 GHz band, as we find that the requested prohibition is overarching and is not warranted based on the circumstances. If there is evidence that any entity will seek to operate RF lights in the 2.45 GHz band and cause harmful interference to satellite radio receivers as a consequence, and our existing limits prove inadequate, we will at that time take appropriate action."
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_lamp#Electromagnetic_interference
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Re: Plasma Streetlights « Reply #5 on: March 25, 2026, 04:10:42 PM » Author: RRK
Yep, adding some halides (CaI2 or NaI) to correct that ugly greenish tint immediately brings this creation into realm of metal halide lamps, arctube corrosion will straight away chop off 2/3 of that hyped 60K hours lifetime. Right? ;)

As one internet meme said "Overcomplicated solutions for non-existing problems"

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Re: Plasma Streetlights « Reply #6 on: March 25, 2026, 04:35:16 PM » Author: Multisubject
@RRK
I wonder if they ever experimented with ceramics for these instead of quartz
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Re: Plasma Streetlights « Reply #7 on: March 27, 2026, 12:44:35 AM » Author: RRK
But I bet as they start to add reactive halide salts they won't reach arctube lifetimes above what is seen on ceramic metal halide lamps. That is, some 20-30K hours. So why messing with shielding, magnetrons, fans, all that crap still to get the performance significantly below of off-the-shelf 400W or 250W CMH lamps of recent years? Okay even if you are much loved by friendly folks at US Department of Energy ;)
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Re: Plasma Streetlights « Reply #8 on: March 27, 2026, 12:55:31 PM » Author: lightsofpahrump
There might be a way to constrict the plasma to keep it away from the arctube wall. BUT it would be OVERCOMPLICATED just like this crazy charade around lighting with microwaves.
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