What makes you dislike LED? « on: April 14, 2025, 05:58:00 PM » Author: Eleco_SR304
Thought this would be a nice topic to start- "What Makes You Dislike LEDs?" Well, I've seen many people hate LED for some reason and for me, there are two reasons: 1)The government makes LED replaces a lot of good old working fixtures even though they might last for 2-5 years and can sometimes replaced actual beauties like they did there!!! https://maps.app.goo.gl/UD7bGHJK9BKkCHL76?g_st=ac 2) Mostly because LEDs have a bad impact on a human eyesite I believe. So many times when you look in LEDs they make you blind for a few seconds, you see little tiny dots everywhere where as MV, SOX and fluorescent lighting doesn't have a big impact on a human's eyesite. (Correct me if I'm wrong). Two main reasons, what are your reasons?
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	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #1 on: April 14, 2025, 07:53:28 PM » Author: Baked bagel 11
I don't dislike all LED, only the cheap crap. I think that led is a good advancement from trwditional light sources, being far more flexible than past light sources (having different colour temperatures, effective dimming, light distributions and smart control etc...). It's cheaper to both manufacture and maintain. And also just significantly more efficient than other light sources, with both the electricity and the light given out. I understand that people don't like the "good old HPS" being replaced, while forgetting that that "good old hps" replaced some "good old SOX" or some "good old MV". Everything advances and evolves and we are seeing that natural progression now. The reason that councils will replace older working fixtures in favour for LED is because LED works better for them, for all of the reasons mentioned above.
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	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #2 on: April 14, 2025, 09:53:56 PM » Author: LightsAreBright27
6500k? That's literally everywhere here! The only issue I find is when there isn't sufficient cooling, like in cheap lamps, then the failure rate is very high. I also don't like the colour leds that are harsh and monotone. Something like coloured fluorescent is much more soothing.
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	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #3 on: April 14, 2025, 10:00:49 PM » Author: Baked bagel 11
Yeah, that's a good point. I've edited my response.
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	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #4 on: April 15, 2025, 04:43:25 AM » Author: Medved
"What makes you dislike LED?" The way how the governments are pushing them by force - all the bans of "inefficient technologies" and so on. And this is not only for LEDs, the same is valid for all other "eco-design" things...
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	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #5 on: April 15, 2025, 06:50:33 AM » Author: Eleco_SR304
Yeah, to be fair, I don't think they should "BAN" to the inefficient light sources, just make a small amount of them and sell them for a high price. But NO- "if there's a new light source, we should BAN the old mercury lightbulbs" and the reason I think why they ban them is because of business. It's the same thing going on petrol/diesel and electric cars. The European government wants to ban all petrol/diesel cars and have electric ones, even though they could make a small amount of petrol/diesel cars and more electric ones. But it was the same thing back in the 70s-80s. HPS and SOX would replace MV and people probably weren't happy when this was happening as well. But now, many people hate LED replacing good old SOX and HPS (sometimes MV and Fluorescent) fixtures. Soon, when a new light source will be made in a decade or two, people will hate the new Light source replacing LEDs and trust me, this will happen, as it happens all the time...
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Usually I collect bulbs (Mostly LED) and some HID ones. I also own a couple of streetlights, but most are made in Poland.

However, I mostly prefer SOX bulbs. LED bulbs in their efficacy will never beat SOX bulbs, in my opinion.

	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #6 on: April 15, 2025, 06:58:40 AM » Author: Eleco_SR304
Quote from: LightsAreBright27 on April 14, 2025, 09:53:56 PM 6500k? That's literally everywhere here! The only issue I find is when there isn't sufficient cooling, like in cheap lamps, then the failure rate is very high. I also don't like the colour leds that are harsh and monotone. Something like coloured fluorescent is much more soothing. Yeah, so basically what you mean is that the 6500k LEDs are harsh? Well, but what If your village/town/city would start installing 6500k Metal Halide bulbs and then what, would you say it is harsh blue? Listen, I would want to know your opinion, because once MV bulbs were 4000k-5000k I believe and when SOX and HPS came in, people would say "SOX and HPS has a very harsh yellow colour and we hate them, we want MV back!" and now it's happening again, SOX and HPS Is now getting removed and now people say LEDs have a harsh blue colour when "ON".
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Usually I collect bulbs (Mostly LED) and some HID ones. I also own a couple of streetlights, but most are made in Poland.

However, I mostly prefer SOX bulbs. LED bulbs in their efficacy will never beat SOX bulbs, in my opinion.

	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #7 on: April 15, 2025, 07:01:53 AM » Author: Baked bagel 11
I've heard from reputable sources that 'normal people' got used to the monochrome colour of SOX from the 3000k GLS lamps in a couple of weeks. People just don't like change.
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	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #8 on: April 15, 2025, 07:20:27 AM » Author: Eleco_SR304
I don't really care if there is LED. Just what annoys me that LED replaces many fine working fixtures that may work 1-5 years instead of replacing the ones that don't work. Same thing happened where I live. We had a perfect working Mi26 and then on the next day- LED. We had a Mi26 not working, and it wasn't replaced, it was re-lamped. That's why I hate LED so much, but it's not LED, it's also the government that makes the contractors/electrician replaced fine working HID/LID/Florescent fixtures.
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However, I mostly prefer SOX bulbs. LED bulbs in their efficacy will never beat SOX bulbs, in my opinion.

	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #9 on: April 15, 2025, 07:46:30 AM » Author: dor123
I hate integrated LED fixtures, because they can't be serviced, and LED streetlights because of their instant full brightness and restarting.
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	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #10 on: April 15, 2025, 08:04:38 AM » Author: Eleco_SR304
Also, LEDs can sometimes flicker so fast that you think it is a camera. Once, I was going to back to my house from Church and on this roundabout, the Aspect Lanterns have very weird behaviour when "on" and once this Aspect lantern flickered so fast that I though it was a camera, but of course it wasn't a camera. That's why LED is a strange light source because they flicker because the LEDs are always cool where as HID and LPS can't due to the warmth inside the  arc/discharge tube, they need a couple of seconds to make the tube strike again so the tube isn't that hot, and I believe HID/LPS bulbs only flicker when warming up because I've seen a couple HPS bulbs flicker when warming up, but when they are fully warmed up, they don't flicker anymore.
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Usually I collect bulbs (Mostly LED) and some HID ones. I also own a couple of streetlights, but most are made in Poland.

However, I mostly prefer SOX bulbs. LED bulbs in their efficacy will never beat SOX bulbs, in my opinion.

	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #11 on: April 15, 2025, 08:07:05 AM » Author: Baked bagel 11
Hps cycling is also an issue. I believe the flickering of LED fixtures is because of faulty drivers.
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	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #12 on: April 15, 2025, 08:13:01 AM » Author: Eleco_SR304
Could be of drivers but also can be of manufactures buying cheap LEDs. Most of our LED fixtures probably use cheap LEDs and that's why LEDs have many issues. It could also be the manufactures buying cheap drivers as well- and that's an issue when a driver fails. I've seen Aspect lantern have a burnt driver and guess what? ALL THE LEDS WERE BURNT UP AS WELL, WITH ALSO some smoke I guess, no maybe it- well it was some brown dirt on the glass. Probably the particles from the driver or LEDs have opened so the brown dirt just went all over the glass:
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Usually I collect bulbs (Mostly LED) and some HID ones. I also own a couple of streetlights, but most are made in Poland.

However, I mostly prefer SOX bulbs. LED bulbs in their efficacy will never beat SOX bulbs, in my opinion.

	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #13 on: April 15, 2025, 09:29:06 AM » Author: LightsAreBright27
Quote from: Eleco_SR304 on April 15, 2025, 06:58:40 AM Yeah, so basically what you mean is that the 6500k LEDs are harsh? Well, but what If your village/town/city would start installing 6500k Metal Halide bulbs and then what, would you say it is harsh blue? Listen, I would want to know your opinion, because once MV bulbs were 4000k-5000k I believe and when SOX and HPS came in, people would say "SOX and HPS has a very harsh yellow colour and we hate them, we want MV back!" and now it's happening again, SOX and HPS Is now getting removed and now people say LEDs have a harsh blue colour when "ON". I don't like MH much too. I just prefer a more diffused light. I have absolutely no issue with leds and MH lamps that are 2700-4000k. I just don't like that led has made undiffused 6500k more common. MH here weren't that common to begin with, and most were coated bulbs. So the "harsh 6500k light" wasn't that common, and 6500k fluorescents and MVs atleast diffused it. But with the rise of led, the use of undiffused lighting has become more common, which I don't like. What I mean is, before, the glare filled lighting was only in streets, but with led, it became everywhere. And about HPS? Yes they may be glaring but the colour is much more bearable. And many HPS here were diffused by using coated bulbs or lantern covers. So basically, it isn't 6500k itself that I hate, it is that colour temperature used in sharp eye glaring lights that I hate.
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	Re: What makes you dislike LED? « Reply #14 on: April 15, 2025, 10:59:03 AM » Author: dor123
I think that the reason why some LEDs have horrible 100/120hz flickering is because the voltage to light the LED array is too high, so the LEDs are mostly off and very little on during the change of the mains current waveform.
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