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What configuration did these signals have? « on: November 20, 2024, 02:50:32 AM » Author: Milwaukeeman2003
In Los Angeles County, CA. Circa 1947.
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #1 on: November 20, 2024, 04:25:27 AM » Author: Baked bagel 11
My guess is that they are turn signals (amber and green arrow).
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #2 on: November 20, 2024, 12:18:17 PM » Author: Milwaukeeman2003
Doesn’t seem like that’s the case, considering that the green ball indication is the fourth section, rather than the third.
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #3 on: November 20, 2024, 04:01:06 PM » Author: Baked bagel 11
It's quite hard to see, perhaps a red arrow on the top?
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #4 on: November 20, 2024, 04:03:36 PM » Author: Milwaukeeman2003
My best guess would be, from top to bottom, two reds, one yellow and green, and a walk indication.
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #5 on: November 22, 2024, 05:26:19 AM » Author: Lampwizard
Such traffic lights can still be found in downtown Chicago (e.g. see Streetview of corner of N. Michigan Avenue and E. Ohio Street).
It comes with a sign "left on green arrow only".

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From the top to bottom:

Red for traffic going straight ahead
Yellow for traffic going straight ahead
Green for traffic going straight ahead
Yellow arrow for traffic turning left
Green arrow for traffic turning left

Just like it is shown in the Streetview picture of Baked bagel 11.

There is no red arrow for left turn. Once the green left turn arrow is off, one has to stop since oncoming traffic has the green light.
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #6 on: November 22, 2024, 10:50:59 PM » Author: Milwaukeeman2003
There are two problems with this idea. One is that the forth section is a green ball, rather than a yellow arrow. The other is that there weren’t any computerized controllers at the time.
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #7 on: November 23, 2024, 12:12:34 AM » Author: fluorescent lover 40
Assuming there’s no dedicated pedestrian signal, and since it is an intersection, perhaps it is R-RA-Y-G-GA. And since there appears to be a railroad line next the intersection, there could be a railroad crossing, and perhaps, when it activates, it activates a separate mechanically controlled activation. Not sure if it’s correct, but it’s just a thought.
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #8 on: January 01, 2025, 05:59:33 PM » Author: Baked bagel 11
Idk how I missed @fluorescent lover 40s response, sounds plausible.
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #9 on: January 01, 2025, 11:05:03 PM » Author: Milwaukeeman2003
It’s possible. But I have no idea if red arrows were made back then, since I doubt that 12 inch signals existed at the time .
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #10 on: January 02, 2025, 02:48:36 AM » Author: Baked bagel 11
Perhaps, I'm not very knowledgeable about 1940s American signals lol.
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Re: What configuration did these signals have? « Reply #11 on: January 02, 2025, 09:39:41 PM » Author: joseph_125
I wonder if red arrows were available then, yellow and red arrows was always more of a more modern thing, after MUTCD changes required protected lefts to be terminated by a yellow arrow.

That said a red arrow would make sense in there was a railroad track there. Modern practice would typically be display a thru and right green arrow instead or use a no left turn blank out sign.
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