BAT **** crazy British Energy Bill ! « on: September 06, 2023, 01:11:41 PM » Author: AngryHorse
Well I don’t know how many UK members have been following the net zero energy bill, due for its 3rd reading in the House of Commons, but it could turn truly horrific! Without trying to be too political, the UK is in a drive to become the world’s leader in zero emission carbon, that all well and good, but some of the clauses in it have the potential to become really dystopian if desired? During all the ‘lamp ban’ discussions on here we all joked about lamp police knocking on peoples doors and confiscating banned lamps, (all silly conspiracies at the time), well the UK has just moved one step closer in that direction! Just to be clear here, this IS NOT LAW, IT IS’NT GOING TO BE LAW, but the clauses in the energy bill have the “potential” to create a form of ‘energy police’ in the future that will indeed go house to house checking on your energy uses? Anyone found to have an inefficient boiler, or be using incandescent/fluorescent lighting instead of LED, or not have the correct insulation could face 12 months imprisonment and a £15,000 fine!  And YES it actually says this!!!, naturally opposition to this green madness is very high within government, but it will be interesting to see where this is all going?
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	Re: BAT **** crazy British Energy Bill ! « Reply #1 on: September 06, 2023, 03:16:25 PM » Author: HIDLad001
Quote from: AngryHorse on September 06, 2023, 01:11:41 PM Anyone found to have an inefficient boiler, or be using incandescent/fluorescent lighting instead of LED, or not have the correct insulation could face 12 months imprisonment and a £15,000 fine!  And YES it actually says this!!!, naturally opposition to this green madness is very high within government, but it will be interesting to see where this is all going? What a world.. The UK will probably end up having more tyrannical energy efficiency laws than the People’s Republic of California!      U.K. Members, this is your queue to move somewhere else. Even the EU has more sensible energy laws!!!
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	Re: BAT **** crazy British Energy Bill ! « Reply #2 on: September 06, 2023, 04:01:00 PM » Author: AngryHorse
Yes it’s lunacy, but to reiterate it’s not law, and isn’t going to be, but the potential is there for someone in the future to make it law depending how evil they want to be! Also part of it is smart meters, and I read about the hell you guys in the US went through with the whole smart meters thing! In the UK it wasn’t mandatory to have one, but those who held off and have now passed their ‘due date’ could be forced to have one under the same fine and prison threat! Now hopefully these measures will be quashed?, and yes it would be nice for the UK to be world leaders in net zero, but not at the price of forced draconian measures coming down on peoples shoulders! However I sadly am not very confident after the hugely unpopular ULEZ charging scheme for drivers in the UK was given its full go ahead without a single complaint from those in power, and is now raking in huge profits from the already poor motorists that can least afford it! I’ve got to say also, I’ve been on this planet for 51 years now, and have NEVER seen the UK being so destroyed so fast by its own leadership who have absolute and complete contempt for it’s own people! Interesting and crazy times ahead?
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	Re: BAT **** crazy British Energy Bill ! « Reply #4 on: September 06, 2023, 06:21:48 PM » Author: HIDLad001
The reason why smart meters got so much pushback wasn't because they could meter apparent power (kVArh), or that they could monitor and switch your power on and off remotely, it was because of the people with tinfoil hats thought that there was some danger with them occasionally transmitting your usage information. You absorb more radiation from using your cellular phone or microwave oven than being near a smart meter that (in the case here) is on the outside wall. I have seen stories of people chaining, locking, pulling guns to prevent them from being installed, and even removing the utility's meter and swapping it for their own!
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	Re: BAT **** crazy British Energy Bill ! « Reply #5 on: September 06, 2023, 06:23:00 PM » Author: suzukir122
Yooo... wait... what? That's actually happening? I'm the one that brought up the "lamp police" talk originally... and even when I brought it up, I didn't think too seriously about it actually happening. Is that serious? Sounds like a potential bad idea lurking in the UK then. If they really did do something as stupid as send those people, it's likely that even the non-lighting enthusiasts would find a way to fight back.
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	Re: BAT **** crazy British Energy Bill ! « Reply #6 on: September 07, 2023, 12:29:46 AM » Author: AngryHorse
Not exactly, but depending on how hard they really wanted to push net zero carbon it ‘ could ‘ happen in the future? But like I say there is push back already within government so not everyone in power is happy about it? It’s the trend in the UK though that’s not looking hopeful, as with what’s already been mentioned on LG a few times with LED, from a retail point of view it’s gone from choice to “you will use LED” as we’re not selling anything else! And more recently with the ULEZ scheme, at least 98% of Londoners were against it but they’ve more or less been told, “ tough luck, we’re going ahead with it anyway, deal with it “ ! The ULEZ scheme, as I understand, is already being tested in Birmingham, Oxford and Manchester in the UK, but I’m not clear how far their going with it as yet?, although Birmingham city council have just declared bankruptcy here, so it would be a nice cash cow for them? I believe Stoke on Trent city council are also on the verge of bankruptcy too?, something I’ve certainly never seen in my lifetime!
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	Re: BAT **** crazy British Energy Bill ! « Reply #7 on: September 07, 2023, 12:38:57 AM » Author: AngryHorse
Quote from: HIDLad001 on September 06, 2023, 06:21:48 PM The reason why smart meters got so much pushback wasn't because they could meter apparent power (kVArh), or that they could monitor and switch your power on and off remotely, it was because of the people with tinfoil hats thought that there was some danger with them occasionally transmitting your usage information. You absorb more radiation from using your cellular phone or microwave oven than being near a smart meter that (in the case here) is on the outside wall. I have seen stories of people chaining, locking, pulling guns to prevent them from being installed, and even removing the utility's meter and swapping it for their own!    With the smart meters thing, this would be the perfect scenario for any governments net zero goals?, make every household have one, then you have 100% control over peoples lives, if they deem your using just a little bit too much gas or electric, you can remotely pull the plug saying, “ Sorry Mr and Mrs Blogs, but you’ve exceeded your carbon quota for today “ !
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	Re: BAT **** crazy British Energy Bill ! « Reply #8 on: September 07, 2023, 12:41:46 AM » Author: suzukir122
Hopefully things get better, and they don't do anything stupid. I've always wanted to visit the UK, for the longest time. Not just to experience the different culture/lifestyles and food, but also to experience the different lighting... 50/100 hertz hum... Preheat, Semi Resonant Start and all other types of fluorescent fixtures there, the UK's version of HPS, Metal Halide, and Mercury Vapor lighting, SOX fixtures... etc. I still have yet to experience all of that. Just seeing LED's everywhere there would be... just... boring.
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	Re: BAT **** crazy British Energy Bill ! « Reply #9 on: September 07, 2023, 07:52:35 AM » Author: rjluna2
I would like to put two pence worth of my thought here.  If this goes the way they wanted to go with their energy saving method, it would become like this:
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	Re: BAT **** crazy British Energy Bill ! « Reply #11 on: September 07, 2023, 10:31:07 AM » Author: AngryHorse
Cool Just to add a point to Rob’s post though, funny enough, I noticed in Stafford last week, a stretch of road with newly installed Thorn Isaro Pro LED lanterns, then a sign by the side of the road saying ‘Street lighting not in use’!  Are we now deeming LED to be using too much energy?
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