91   Lamps / Modern / Re: Why is the 4ft Fluorescent tube ubiquitous?  on: March 28, 2025, 05:08:40 AM 
Started by sdsw4 - Last post by Medved
Reasonable size lumen package (small enough to not be that of a problem to design with, large enough that the production costs were not that high) combined with reasonable size (fit for standard ceiling patterns) and good system efficiency made them favorites of mainly commercial applications, where the total cost of the light was the top priority. The high demand from commercial sector made the production volume to ramp up. And large production volumes led to lower costs because of economy of scale and brought more RD money to get even better performance from their systems. And lower costs made them even more favored.

Until the F40T12 became the virtually only workhorse of industrial lighting.
The F32T8 is then "just" a more efficient replacement, even when it meant a need for different ballasts (the OCV of the then most common RS ballasts was not enough to reliably start the F32, so a new ballast was needed anyway, so the spec evolved to maintain the lumen equivalency), the equivalent lumen output meant they perfectly fit into older systems (with just the ballast replacement).

In Europe then common glowbottle preheat start systems were able to ignite the T8 perfectly fine, so the evolution went to make the F36T8 electrically compatible with the F40T12 ballasts, with the assumption part of the lamp positions will be skipped to get the desired power saving from the system.
 92   Lamps / Modern / Why is the 4ft Fluorescent tube ubiquitous?  on: March 28, 2025, 04:46:56 AM 
Started by sdsw4 - Last post by sdsw4
Doing my rounds, collecting what little is left of Fluorescents here in Colorado Springs,

I was told that every single 4ft T8 (I took the remaining 4ft T12's)tube was collected by... the local shopping mall (Citadel Mall) because apparently that old mall's fluorescent systems will melt, yes dripping melt, LED replacement/retrofit tubes. I actually get it because the main mall core was last touched over 20 years ago, the ballasts (including compact fluorescent CARTRIDGE, or those dual or quad pin CFL bulbs) weren't touched unless they threw a fuse or breaker

which leads me to the final question: why did 4ft fluorescent fixtures become the standard?
 93   Advertisements / Wanted / Glamox MIR T8 fluorescent gear tray wanted!  on: March 28, 2025, 04:29:59 AM 
Started by tigerelectronics - Last post by tigerelectronics
Hello fellow lighting nerds! I acquired a glamox MIR G1 fixture. It’s a very rugged and awesome light fixture, and I’d love to actually put it into some
Use. However, it has a 5000 LED gear tray kit installed, I’d like to convert it to fluorescent because fluorescent is what I enjoy most. However, I’ve been looking all over the internet, and unfortunately can’t find any T8 HF kit for it anymore. If anyone has one that I could buy, I’d greatly appreciate it. Input voltage does not matter. I have access to T8 HF drivers I could install if the voltage is incorrect.

I need the T8 2x36W kit.

I’m located in Sweden :)

Hope to hear from you all soon!

Edit: I have been thinking about this for a few days now, and I have come to the conclusion that trying to find a fluorescent gear tray for one of these is going to be really difficult, as these fixtures are fairly uncommon except for in very heavy duty industrial and off-shore applications. So this has made be think about converting my existing gear tray to fluorescent myself instead. All it would take is removing the LED module, which is just screwed on, and of course, removing the LED driver. All one really has to do to convert one of these to fluorescent, is just to make some holes to fit some tube sockets, install a electronic driver, and I will have converted it to exactly the same specs as the original fluorescent version from GLAMOX would have been. The only difference being that I would have to use tombstone style tube holders instead of their
vibration-proof push-in sockets (spring loaded). In my experience, standard tombstones more or less survive vibrations just as well... Not having Glamox style tube sockets is not neccesarily such a big deal, as the spring loaded ones can be kind of a pain to deal with especially if you like swapping tubes often like I do. It is very easy to break the pins off from tubes when trying to remove and install them on the glamox push sockets, as oftentimes the spring tension is ridicolously hard to overcome, and then you automatically use excessive force to push the tube in and then you bend the pins or break them, I have had it happen multiple times in my Glamox GIR fixtures.

I might make some posts about this modification once I do it, some of you might enjoy it :)

I want to keep this thread open still. If someone does run across or have one of these gear trays, I will happily take it anyways, since that is the proper way to do things :P

 94   Advertisements / For Sale or Trade / Re: For Sale/Trade, various light fixtures for modding or gutting  on: March 28, 2025, 01:55:30 AM 
Started by Burrito - Last post by fluorescent lover 40
Yeah I’d also love to help but living several states over doesn’t help any. If I lived closer I’d pick up all the stuff in a heartbeat.
 95   Lamps / Modern / Re: What is up with this GE mercury vapor lamp?  on: March 28, 2025, 01:32:54 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Medved
Just came to my mind: Is it really more expensive? Yes, gold is more expensive material per mass, but isn't there so little amount of it that the process of applying it becomes actually more expensive than the used material itself. So isn't it possible that in the scope of MV manufacturing, the metal coating application may become actually cheaper? The MH may need to go for the Zirconia, as an easy to deposit metals won't srvive the higher temperatures of MH.

But this above is just entertaining a hypothesis which at the end could be wrong, I'm not expert in these lamp making steps...


What I know, for decades gold has been and used to for connection wires for semiconductor devices because it for long term was the cheapest way, even when using one of the most expensive metal for this. So I just tried to apply the same reasoning...
 96   Lamps / Videos / Re: A list of Japanese lighting channels on youtube  on: March 28, 2025, 01:29:10 AM 
Started by WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA - Last post by WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
You are welcome.
 97   Lamps / Videos / Re: A list of Japanese lighting channels on youtube  on: March 28, 2025, 01:14:57 AM 
Started by WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA - Last post by Baked bagel 11
These channels are GOLD! Thanks for sharing.
 98   Advertisements / For Sale or Trade / Re: For Sale/Trade, various light fixtures for modding or gutting  on: March 28, 2025, 01:12:17 AM 
Started by Burrito - Last post by Baked bagel 11
I'd really love to help, but seeing as I'm over 15,000KM away from you, I don't think that I'll be any help. Sorry.
Good luck getting rid of them.
You could also put them up on eBay, FB marketplace and anywhere else if you want them gone fast.
 99   Advertisements / For Sale or Trade / For Sale/Trade, various light fixtures for modding or gutting  on: March 28, 2025, 12:47:23 AM 
Started by Burrito - Last post by Burrito
Decided to make a new post about this in the right spot. I need to trade/sell most of my luminaires and lamps. We will be moving in mid April and we need to downsize a lot so I need to know if anyone would be willing to trade or purchase the items free of charge.You can use them for gutting components, modding, or other silly things. Please respond, I need them gone before mid April. Will post images tomorrow. Thanks! :D
 100   Advertisements / For Sale or Trade / Re: Should I trade this Diazotype lamp? Your opinion  on: March 28, 2025, 12:01:45 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by RRK
This is probably a gallium filled MH lamp and is certainly somewhat rare. The color and spectrum and diffused milky look of the arc is definitely interesting. What is the reason to get rid of it?

If you are saying you don't have a space for a single 400W BT lamp, you are sure in a wrong kind of hobby, haha )

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