11   General / General Discussion / Re: The Don't Mess With My Home Appliances Act  on: Today at 08:41:48 AM 
Started by Lcubed3 - Last post by joseph_125
I could see that too, in Canada there are already plans in place to phase out HID and fluorescent by the end of the 2020s.

Fluorescent lamps still get some turnover but I think the fluorescent fixtures at Home Depot just sat there until they decided to stop selling them and clear up the shelving space. Although I think they still have a 2x F32T8 strip and a 2x F96T12 strip. 
 12   Lanterns/Fixtures / Vintage & Antique / Re: Any carbon arc street lights still in use?  on: Today at 08:21:20 AM 
Started by WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA - Last post by joseph_125
To be honest it's like that with every new lighting technology though. MV was called efficient at one point, same thing about T12 fluorescent. Now HPS and T8 fluorescent was mostly sold as energy efficient upgrades.

The tungsten incandescent lamps were a lot more efficient compared to the carbon filament incandescent lamps of the 1890s and the tantalum lamps of the early 1900s.
 13   General / General Discussion / Re: Residential vs Commercial Fluorescent Ballasts  on: Today at 07:55:22 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by rapidstart_12
I assume you are referring to the 4ft F25T12. The reason that lamp can’t be used on commercial ballasts has nothing to do with the capacitor or the ballast itself. The “F25T12” is nothing more than a regular F40T12 with weaker electrodes that can’t handle as much power. It’s a F40 that is designed to be underpowered. This renders it incompatible with commercial ballasts which are usually “normal ballast factor” (operate lamps at their rated power). The F25T12 would operate at 40W in this configuration, causing early failure. Residential ballasts are usually “low ballast factor,” and typically operate F40T12 lamps at 25W or less, meaning the F25T12 gets its designed power and will last its rated life.

F40T12 34W lamps will cause any ballast to run warmer, residential or commercial. In fact, earlier residential ballasts were known to get unbelievably hot with energy-saving lamps. I believe this is because the 34W lamps cause actually draw more power on LPF ballasts than 40W lamps do, which causes the ballast to operate well above its rated power and temperature. Later models like the Advance HB-234-TP were designed to handle 34W lamps better, but you should never run a 34W F40 on any residential ballast that does not say it is compatible with one. Same goes for HPF  commercial ballasts. Many units from before the 1980s were not designed for energy-saving lamps and would overheat with them, so just check your ballast before installing them. Newer ones are usually OK with them.
 14   Lanterns/Fixtures / Vintage & Antique / Re: Any carbon arc street lights still in use?  on: February 15, 2026, 05:43:31 PM 
Started by WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA - Last post by lightsofpahrump
An ad in the April 1940 edition of the American City Magazine is interesting. General Electric details how the City of Niagara Falls “ Had one of the finest luminous arc street lighting systems, yet it recently relighted 23 miles of street for better night traffic safety. More than 1000 arc lamps were replaced with modern efficient incandescent luminaires”. There is a photo of the GE Form 81 luminaire. So arc lighting existed into the 1940’s.
"efficient incandescent" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
 15   General / General Discussion / Re: Why dual wire feed throughs in LPS lamps?  on: February 15, 2026, 10:12:07 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Multisubject
@RRK
Right... activation. Forgot about that part. Makes sense.
 16   General / Off-Topic / Re: Incapacitating a microwave directed energy weapon  on: February 15, 2026, 01:21:19 AM 
Started by lightsofpahrump - Last post by Laurens
A sheet of metal will definitely protect you, but it is not very convenient to walk around an already chaotic situation with a non-transparent sheet of metal in front of you.
 17   General / General Discussion / Re: Why dual wire feed throughs in LPS lamps?  on: February 15, 2026, 12:03:49 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by RRK
With the technology sorted up well, feed-through reliability is not a major problem

Some reasons at least:

Manufacturing process certainly requires filament heating at some times for activation.

Two points is needed to support a beehive filament.

Two leads at each end are more mechanically robust. 

 18   General / General Discussion / Why dual wire feed throughs in LPS lamps?  on: February 14, 2026, 07:37:16 PM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Multisubject
I believe that early positive column AC LPS lamps (like the Philora DA) had filament electrodes that were preheated before use, and possibly continuously heated during use. This obviously means that there had to be four feed throughs, two for each filament. Just like a fluorescent tube. No problem here.

But after after the Philora DO came out, they started instant starting the lamps. And this remained the case throughout SO, SOI, SOX, and SOX-E. But they never switched to one feed through per electrode, they always kept both lead wires. Looking at the construction of any modern LPS lamp, you can see that the two lead wires on each end are just connected together on the outside, rendering them practically useless.

Feed throughs are the one weak point, right? Wouldn't you want to minimize the amount of them that you have? Why not just have one wire feed through and attach the beehive cathode right to it instead of splitting it across two possibly problematic feed throughs?
 19   General / General Discussion / Re: What did you do today lighting wise?  on: February 14, 2026, 07:23:27 PM 
Started by RyanF40T12 - Last post by rapidstart_12
Tested, cleaned, and serviced a number of 1987-1988 Lithonia Lighting 2xF40T12 fluorescent strip lights so that I can install them in the lighting workshop next weekend. The fixtures were acquired from FaceBook MarketPlace back in November.

The fixtures have a mix of ballasts, mostly Universal 446-LR-TC-Ps, a couple Advance R-2S40-TPs, and one has a GE electronic ballast which will likely be replaced. One fixture did not come with a ballast. All ballasts seem to work just fine, so I will go ahead and install the fixtures. A couple of lampholders needed to be replaced.

For cleaning, I disassembled the fixtures and pressure washed the housings, then I went back in with some wipes and put the fixtures back together. Took several hours to get them all done, but I’m glad they are all finished now. There is some rust on a few of the fixtures, but I won’t worry about that for the time being.
 20   General / Off-Topic / Re: Incapacitating a microwave directed energy weapon  on: February 14, 2026, 05:40:12 PM 
Started by lightsofpahrump - Last post by lightsofpahrump
Yeah, a metal shield might protect you. A new 21st century use for medieval technology.  :)
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